Broadmoor Psychiatric Inmate Finally To Get Hearing

Here’s a good one for you. This psychiatric inmate at Broadmoor Hospital in Berkshire, England, a high-security facility used to imprison people labeled criminally insane, is making a bid for his freedom. The story appears in The Independent under the heading Historic hearing begins into Broadmoor patient seeking his freedom.

Albert Haines, 52, is seeking to be discharged from Broadmoor Hospital after nearly a quarter of a century detained under the Mental Health Act at high- and medium-security facilities. He insists that doctors misdiagnosed him and that he would pose no threat to the public if he were to be released.

Almost 25 years, wow, a whopping quarter of a century, confined, and this man insists that he’s not, if he ever was, the raving maniac they take him for!

His doctor has a different opinion on the matter.

“My clinical view is that Mr Haines is presenting with paranoid psychosis, in the sense that his preoccupation with the injustice he believes the psychiatric system has caused him is out of proportion with reality,” Dr Romero-Urcelay said. “He believes that we are persecuting him”.

Let’s see. After nearly 25 years confinement Dr. Romero-Urcelay and the staff of Broadmoor are persecuting Mr. Albert Haines. Actions, after all, and inactions, speak louder than words. Enough said.

What is his offense? What is he in for?

He was first brought to Broadmoor in 1986 after pleading guilty to two counts of attempted wounding. In 1992 he was moved to Three Bridges, in Ealing, a medium-secure unit where he spent 16 years before being moved back to Broadmoor after a series of confrontations with staff.

You’ve got to be kidding! 25 years for attempted wounding!? His case represents an extreme travesty of justice if I’ve ever seen one. In the USA we would call this kind of maltreatment cruel and unusual punishment. Cruel and unusual punishment has been outlawed by the US Constitution. Therapy is not a good pretext for cruel and unusual punishment.

In a statement given to the tribunal, Mr Haines explained: “I am labelled as having a mental disorder which I do not accept. So long as I am in a psychiatric setting I will be seen as a patient who needs treatment. Everything I do or say will be interpreted on this basis.”

Perhaps he’s got something there. Sounds reasonable enough, doesn’t he? If only his doctor sounded as reasonable. After 25 years at Broadmoor Mr. Haines should be sufficiently rehabilitated to leave the institution I would think. I don’t see what good any additional confinement is going to do him.

Let’s hope the British justice officials will make the right decision, and release Mr. Haines from this unjust and ridiculous imprisonment at Broadmoor.

25 years! Gosh! That’s closer to a third of a lifetime than a quarter of a lifetime until we have longer lifetimes. Citizens of Great Britain, for mercy and decency’s sake, release this man!

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9 Responses

  1. Maybe it is because the psychiatrist is afraid of a lawsuit when the patient is released. If Albert Haines commits a crime after being released , the psychiatrist can? will? be held responsible. There is no incentive to let his patient go, give the slave his/her freedom. The Government is paying the bill, and the Gov has unlimited funds. and the public is brainwashed to fear the “mentally ill”, and the mentally ill will likely go “mad ” if they suddenly stop their “medications” (not drugs).
    Its a perfect system I tell you!

    NEWS
    Court: Ga. killer’s family can sue psychiatrist
    September 12, 2011|By GREG BLUESTEIN, Associated Press
    “Georgia’s top court on Monday allowed the family of a man who stabbed his mother to death in a psychotic rage to file a medical malpractice lawsuit against his psychiatrist,…”

    • Speaking of which, have you seen this? It’s a comedy of errors in psychiatric fail that sadly left a woman dead after a string of other unfortunate incidents. I wonder how shrinks can spin this because they screwed up at every level. Oh, all they’ll do is refuse to discuss it because of “privacy” concerns and then blame others.

    • This guy has been kept almost half of his 52 years in a maximum-security hospital, not for committing any real crime, but for attempting to commit one. Let me tell you, the punishment doesn’t fit the near crime. He’s done his time, and then some. He should have been allowed back into the real world long, long ago. The longer he is kept out of that real world, the more of an injustice is being done to him.

      I know about the Georgia decision, and I think it a bad decision. People in mental health treatment are dying on average 25 years earlier than the rest of the population, and nobody, but nobody, can sue the attending physician. The killer shrinks were only following standard practices. One person, “off his meds”, kills somebody, and his doctor can be sued. I think if anybody did the statistical work they would find that psychiatrists are much more dangerious to themselves or others than are mental patients. Why then aren’t more psychiatrists being locked up? Obviously they represent a very real threat to the public safety.

  2. People who are violent tend to chill out as they get older. In the US, we have a ton of geriatric prisoners who have committed violent crimes in their youth and now pose absolutely no risk to society because of their age. Various criminologists complain about the situation because the old prisoners take away resources to lock up young violent offenders that really need to be locked up for a while.

    It’s just astounding that people like Mr. Haines are subject to such indeterminate sentencing. In the US, it’s not allowed in the criminal system. Psychiatry gets away with it because that’s its only means of controlling threatening helping people.

    • This man in Arizona has communication problems surely. All the same, I don’t have much sympathy for him. As the saying goes, if you can’t do the time, don’t commit the crime.

      He escaped after his commitment had lapsed, and he was voluntary. He was trouble from the first. He killed a lady. He is going to have to live with the punishment he gets from the state. I doubt he will live with the guilt. I’d hate to see him get off on a Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity plea.

      He gives people in the mental health system a bad name. He doesn’t need a diagnosis, he needs a sentence. Nuff said.

      • I’ve tried to argue this here before and I’ll try it again.

        The guy’s diagnosis is quite important actually. If I were a betting man, I would say he has been diagnosed as Antisocial Personality Disorder on Axis I.

        Ok, we’re going to stop there for a minute and step back say a few things.

        First, personality disorders do not go on Axis I. They go on Axis II, including most people who fit the definition of Antisocial Personality Disorder. But there are some exceptions for people who fit the definition of this personality disorder. They’re very important exceptions and their diagnosis generally goes on Axis I.

        As psych survivors, we’re accustomed to shrinks pulling things out their asses and creating diagnoses for which there is absolutely no physical evidence that these diseases exist.

        This is the one instance where there are any number of physical, detectable signs that call for this diagnosis. There’s no client interview really needed. Everything you need to know shows up on the monitors.

        For the last 30 years plus, neurologists have known that these sorts of people exhibit abnormally low blood pressure, with low body temp (there’s a reason that you use the adjective cold-blooded to describe them), and anomalies in the theta waves on the EEG. Like I say, these things have known for a number of years. And it’s all physical data that anyone can look at and observe. Something that psychiatry’s not used to dealing with.

        In the last few years with fMRI imaging, researchers have noted a great many other things about these people’s brain wave activity and the basic structure of their brains. One of the early psychiatric diagnostic tools for these people was the MacDonald Triad. In certain patients, MacDonald noticed a correspondence of bed-wetting into young adulthood, fire-starting and cruelty to animals. This diagnostic was almost shown the door because no empirical reason could be found for it. It was just anecdotal observation. And now with imaging we can posit it’s there because of irregularities in the paralimbic system of the brain.

        Like I say, we have tons of findings in recent years. Physical evidence. Something that psychiatry’s not used to dealing with.

        But what a minute, psychiatry has always sought a medical model and always tried to use schizophrenia as its Holy Grail. And it has been highly unsuccessful at finding it. So why shouldn’t psychiatrists be using this as their Medical Model? All the evidence is there that this condition exists outside the mind of a shrink. Oh wait, these people would rather murder some gasbag shrink than have to look at him and there’s absolutely nothing the shrinks can do about it. Talk therapy’s out because these people learn to be as manipulative as the therapist, if they aren’t already. Drugs are still notoriously ineffective for most of these people. You did get that part where Jesus wasn’t on medications, didn’t you?

        These people do not give the mental health system a bad name. They give psychiatry a very bad name. They make the shrinks look like idiots. We shouldn’t allow the shrinks to use them to besmirch the rest of the “mentally ill” when they’re an entirely different class of person. And we shouldn’t allow the shrinks to hide behind “privacy” concerns and “client-patient privilege” when psychiatry screws up with these people, as it more often than not does. In fact, I think people like Jesus Murrieta should be held out front and center as to why psychiatry’s such a crock and shouldn’t be trusted with your dog, let alone a human being. Psychiatry can maybe then go join its friends in the phrenology department.

        And I think we should all have sympathy for Jesus because we’ve all had to put up with the same shit he has. What he did was wrong and definitely illegal. Civil men don’t behave like this in civil society. He certainly needs to take a time out in prison. The people with this diagnosis are held responsible for their actions, but how can we not feel for him? As survivors, we know intimately what this profession psychiatry is like and the help he was forced to put up with.

      • Arizona has no “Not guilty by reason of insanity.” They do have a statute that allows for a person considered mentally ill at the time of a crime to be restored to competency, however. In the case of Jesus Murietta, and the role that The Arizona State Hospital’s administrative staff played in the brutal death of a 25 year old woman named April Mott, Murietta was not stable enough of discharge at the time of is escape, despite having the status as “voluntary” (that status applies to anyone whose original court ordered treatment time expires but still needs treatment); if Murietta had the option to be discharged purely upon request, he would not have escaped. The errors occurred when ASH security failed to properly respond at the time of Murietta’s escape, while the willingness of ASH admin. to hide behind privacy issues in order to excuse their actions in the days following the escape amounts to a gross breach of the public trust, and is arguably felonious in nature. But ASH is state facility operated under the auspices of a state agency, which effectively means that as a facility they are no different than a dept. of motor vehicles, and the dismally unmanaged affairs at ASH are effectively ignored. See the blog: PJ Reed The Arizona State Hospital and Patient Abuse (blogspot) for and extensive array of details specific to that place.

  3. BetaSheep
    First I will state my opinion.
    1) I agree with “if you can’t do the time, don’t commit the crime. ” people make choices. Criminals belong in jail.

    2) Precrime is wrong, the starting article is precrime of psychiatry gone wrong. A guy held for more than 24 years for what he MIGHT do. Then psychiatry says he is sick for needing his freedom, just like when slavery existed in the U.S.A. , slaves suffered from Drapetomania, if they wanted freedom.

    I am confused, at what point in time did the person named Jesus Murrieta become one of “them”? His brain is likely physically damaged or atrophied so he is one of them? Psychiatric drugs can shrink the brain, so was that brain damage before the diagnosis, or maybe the psychiatric diagnosis – treatment-alienation encouraged his problem?
    I expect when he was growing up, his environment had no examples of love and empathy, it was either victim or victor, so his brain never used the empathy circuits in his head, like never using a muscle and it atrophies. Thats his fault? Thats societies partial fault for not stopping abuse or getting an education to encourage the empathy brain circuit pathways to work and grow.

    Psychiatric diagnosis are subjective, and you cite it like its real science?

    BetaSheep”Drugs are still notoriously ineffective for most of these people. You did get that part where Jesus wasn’t on medications, didn’t you?”

    Medications (magical) are what the masses believe in. Why do you think so many kids are on ADD legal-drugs today? The newspaper article is entertainment for the masses. Thats it. Thats all the news is. The modern roman colosseum, you give the people what they want to hear, or the opposite ( what they hate) to get them angry and talking about you ( publicity).

    Betasheep”People who are violent tend to chill out as they get older” , referring to human males?, this is from the drop of the chemical testosterone I believe.
    IMO testosterone : is a physical cause for “mental illness”. Horny male homo sapiens who need to have sex but arent getting it, so they go nuts like dogs in heat or moose/sheep rutting . they fight or smash heads to find out who is the stronger male, and to put on a display for the females in the area watching.
    Without testosterone there would be no men. Psychiatric drugs are to turn the horny angry young men into controllable geldings.

    Today they are starting earlier in pediatric psychiatry. Your child is not following orders? Not following orders is PRECRIME They have ADD. Ritalin for your child You must obey orders like a machine! But a machine has no heart, and without a happy heart you have depression. But thats Okay, the machine can make money selling fake cures for depression. The sucker (sheep dont get angry! or else) always has some hope to exploit. Its a perfect system I tell you.

  4. BetaSheep, I don’t see anywhere where it says that Jesus Rincon Murrietta
    was tagged with the anti-social personality disorder label. Maybe, maybe not. His hospitalization was the result of a suicide attempt. This would lead me to suspect that maybe some other diagnostic tag was used on him. He obviously had interpersonal issues. Interpersonal issues are human, not pathological. I’m not saying some kind of human interaction might not have been very good for him. His answers to the conflicts he was facing, unfortunately, were criminal. I see him as an exception to the rule of civility. His behavior gives people who voluntarily seek mental health treatment a bad name. His behavior also gives the authorities a lame excuse to push for more forced treatment. I don’t have a lot of sympathy for him.

    markps2, I’d like to think that there is something more that stops older men from committing violent acts than a testosterone deficiency. I would like to think that there is something in the idea of learning over time. Is it not possible that some people learn from their mistakes? Is it not also possible that the folly of youth can give way to the wisdom of age? Youth tends to be impetious, age more cautious. I’d like to think that when it comes to silly irresponsible behaviors, some men are capable of getting a grip on the situation. I’d like to think that this facility can increase with age. Of course, there is a point where the cycle has run full circle, too, and decline is inevitable.

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